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Sunday, July 12, 2009

Looking at JWOC results and peer nations

 

How did the US runners do compared to runners from "peer nations" at the just completed JWOC?

I spent a few minutes this morning looking at results. Basically, I give the US a "win" each time a US runner beats a runner from a peer nation and a "loss" each time a runner from a peer nation beats a US runner. Lets say a US runner finishes 46th in a middle qualifying heat. A runner from Canada finishes 35th. That's a loss. A runner from Portugal finishes 10th. That's another loss. A runner from Ireland finishes 55th. That's a win. A runner from Japan finishes 54th. That's another win. You get the idea. I do that for each of the individual events, count up all of the wins and losses, and calculate a winning percentage.

At the 2009 JWOC, the US went 62-80-4 (wins-losses-ties) against the peer nations of Belgium, Canada, Ireland, Japan, New Zealand and Portugal.

Ties happened in two situations. In one race, two runners had the same finish time. But, I also gave "ties" if the runners I was comparing both mispunched or didn't finish.

The US had a win percentage of 45.1 (I just ignored the ties).

I haven't calculated peer nation results for JWOCs before, but I've done it for WOCs and you can get an idea of how the JWOC results compare to WOC results.

WOC US winning percentages:

2005 24 percent
2006 26 percent
2007 51 percent
2008 32 percent

You probably shouldn't make much of comparing WOC and JWOC win percentages, but it gives you a sense of the 2009 JWOC results, which I'd characterize as reasonably good.

In tracked the results by discipline: sprint, long, and middle qualifying. The US results are strikingly similar for all three disciplines. Here are wins-losses for each discipline:

Sprint 22-26 (and one tie)
Long 19-28
Middle 21-26 (and 3 ties)

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posted by Michael | 10:40 AM

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Saturday, July 11, 2009

Sprint orienteering at JCC this morning

 

I ran a sprint at JCC this morning. While the area isn't especially challenging, the course was fun. I liked having lots of controls and lots of direction changes.

Going to 3 it wasn't immediately clear if you could go between the building and the out of bounds areas. I took a careful look with my magnifier and saw that you could hug the building and get through.

The map was a bit sketchy at 9 (and the control was hung a bit further in).

12 turned out to cause the most trouble for the most people. Leaving 11 you could see 13 and that pulled a few people off line.

To 16 I went left. I think most people went right. Looking at the map now, I see that you could go straight (i.e. the fence is shown as crossable). But the fence was pretty high. You'd have to be a good climber for the straight route to pay off.

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posted by Michael | 2:19 PM

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Thursday, July 09, 2009

Some notes about a model I'm playing with

 

Think of two beginning orienteers who have equal running ability, but one is a better than average navigator and the other is worse than average. Have them race around a simple course and the better navigator will usually win.

Now, think of two orienteers with different mixes of abilities. One of them is a slow runner and good navigator. The other is a fast runner and poor navigator. Now it isn't obvious who will win.

Now, think about how we first introduce people to orienteering. Does it tend to favor someone with relatively good navigation or relatively good running ability? My gut feeling is that beginner courses tend to favor the better navigators. I think we've all seen examples of fast runners going head-to-head with good navigators on beginners courses, and the good navigator ("the tortoise") wins.

Assuming both orienteers stick with it, and assuming they both improve as runners and navigators, does the running/navigating balance change as they progress through the increasingly technical difficult courses? My gut feeling is that as orienteers progress, the balance shifts and that running becomes relatively more important.

To win a world championship, an orienteer has to be a very good runner and a very good navigator.

But to win a first-timer event, an orienteer with good navigation but slow runner will be more likely to win.

That's enough for now, back to watching the re-play of today's TDF stage.

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posted by Michael | 8:36 PM

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Tuesday, July 07, 2009

Cooling vests

 

As someone who doesn't like hot weather, I like the idea of cooling vests. I came across a photo of the Garmin cycling team warming up with cooling vests. Here is another photo.

I'm not sure how a cooling vest would work for a runner. You can't really warm up on a stationary bike. Maybe doing 20 minutes of running to warm up, then wearing a cooling vest for the last 5-10 minutes before the start, jogging in place a bit, would work.

Update

Here's an article and some video from Velonews.

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posted by Michael | 8:16 PM

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Sunday, July 05, 2009

Downtown sprint map - early July update

 

I've put in a few hours of fieldchecking on the downtown map over the last couple of weeks. Here's the current version of the map. If you've been following my progress, you might notice the changes - mostly the yellow blocks on the south edge of the map and the area around GSP and Corbin Halls.

We used the map for the first time a couple of weeks ago. We had a little sprint race on the north end of the map (including the area with purple lines indicating forest that I haven't fieldchecked). I have no idea when (if?) we'll ever make use of the rest of the map.

I've found working on the sprint map surprisingly interesting. I think I like that progress is quick (compared to a ISOM forest map) and the basemap is good. Having a good basemap makes the mapping more about decisions and less about getting things to fit.

When I'm mapping in the forest I find that I start "seeing" as a fieldchecker even when I'm not mapping. The same things happens when I'm working on the sprint map.

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posted by Michael | 11:19 AM

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Friday, July 03, 2009

Oreinteering-like game for the Iphone

 

Wouldn't it be cool if you could have some way to automatically generate an orienteering training course and then create a map for you?

Seeknspell is an Iphone game that is a bit like that. The game generates a set of control locations on an aerial photo. Each control has a letter code and the idea is to run around and collect letters that you can then use to spell words. The GPS in the phone tracks your location and notes when you collect a control.

I spent the $0.99 and bought the app. I just tested it around my apartment. One problem is that the apartment I live in is so new that the aerial photo just shows a bit empty lot. No trouble, I just oriented the photo and headed off in the right direction. When I came to the control location, the phone vibrated to let me know I'd found the control. I picked up 4 letters and then spelled a word ("not") and earned a few points.

I need to test the game in an area where the photo will be up to date and have some features to read. A city park on a university campus would be good options.

You can see a short video that'll give you an idea of how the game works.

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posted by Michael | 7:43 PM

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What ever happened to Doug Hollowell?

 

When I started orienteering, Doug Hollowell won everything in our age group. He won the US Champs in M19-20 in 1982 and 1983. He won the US Champs in younger age groups in 1980 and 1981. Back in the day, if you had to pick someone who you would have figured to win a few M21 Champs and be on several WOC teams, you'd have picked Doug. But he didn't win any M21 Champs and didn't go to any WOCs.

I looked at some old results for US juniors. But not JWOC results, instead I looked at US Championship results. I looked at the M19-20 and F19-20 winners (except for pre 1988, when the women's junior categories ended at age 19).

Of course, there are plenty of names of orienteers who are still active and have had good results as seniors. But there are also plenty of names of people who you don't see very much of. I guess that's the nature of juniors, especially when the U.S. doesn't have a strong system for helping people bridge that gap between junior and senior levels (as far as I know).

It is interesting to see how few people have won both a top junior US Championship and a senior US Championship. I counted just 4 (might have missed someone).

It might be interesting to look at the junior champs results for some other nations. That'll have to wait for another day.

By the way, the last I heard, Doug was living in the south (maybe Atlanta?) and has a couple of kids.

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posted by Michael | 9:11 AM

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Wednesday, July 01, 2009

A quick note on event quality

 

Several discussions are going on at Attackpoint about event quality. Apparently there were a few problems with an A-meet last weekend, some of which are probably related to the event being organized by just a few people. I've got a couple of thoughts about organizing good events....

1. Events tend to have higher quality (however you define it) when the emphasis within the organizing club is on putting on a good event for everyone who is traveling. Events are more likely to have problems when many of the organizing club's member also compete - viewing the event as a chance to get in an A-meet without the travel.

2. The skills of organizing a good meet can be quite different from the skills many orienteers have. Of course, there are lots of technical issues with organizing an event (like mapping and course setting). But in many ways, organizing a good event is a management problem. It's like managing a work team. I don't think all that many orienteers have management experience. There are a lot of orienteers who do technical work (like programming or engineering) or who teach. There aren't a lot of orienteers (as far as I know) who manage people.


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posted by Michael | 8:55 PM

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Tuesday, June 30, 2009

Fieldchecking video

 

You don't see orienteering mappers in action very often. I came across this video of Perola Olsson mapping in Taiwan.



Street boat

I looked up from my desk at work today and saw a boat passing by.



I ran the photo through Tiltshiftmaker.com


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posted by Michael | 7:59 PM

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Wednesday, June 24, 2009

"Signature Significance"

 

"Signature Significance is the term I [Bill James] use for small-sample events so extraordinary that it is essentially impossible for them to happen to an average team or an average player."

The concept is interesting - a single performance that signals future performance. I have always wondered about short cuts to recognizing orienteering potential. I have some theories. Maybe seeing how quickly an orienteer adapts to a new (for them) type of terrain or situation. The idea being that quickly figuring out how to orienteer in some sort of special terrain signals future performance.


Signature significance
can also be used to identify especially bad performance. In fact, the Bill James quote is from an article where he looks at the Kansas City Royals recent streak of losing 5 baseball games in a row by the scores of 12-5, 12-5, 10-5, 7-1, and 12-6.



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posted by Michael | 8:16 PM

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Tuesday, June 23, 2009

Learning something new

 

Neil Dobbs wrote in a discussion at Attackpoint:

In most long/classic races, one spends a fair amount of time not actually reading the map or making decisions.

In a good sprint, there are decisions to be made every few seconds. It tests navigation at speed perhaps more than map interpretation, but I wouldn't knock it as a form of orienteering. There are plenty of middles and longs which aren't particularly challenging technically.

A French guy who was at one point one place off the national XC team and still winning national club relay golds, so a damn fast runner, joined our orienteering club and loved it. Even after two years I was still beating him in sprints - even without mistakes his running-speed while map-reading was slower than mine.

This isn't to say the cash-prize idea won't work, and I'd love to see it tried. But it could be orienteers that win the prize money for a while yet :)


I thought Neil's comment (especially the part where I added the emphasis) was interesting because it helped me better understand what people mean when they say sprint orienteering is easy. I think they mean that "map interpretation" is comparatively easy. I guess it is obvious, but it is something I never really understood.

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posted by Michael | 8:26 PM

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